you tend to go in arguments all the time that aren’t worth it. That’s ok. But you need to carry the consequences too then.
The 3rd party market is not something you are entitled to as a license holder. It’s an extra. And if you can’t behave then that’s on you. Not them. XF doesn’t bad that easily, so you’re given much chances before that. I’m just saying. I respect you Tracy, but sometimes you need to calm down. Or carry the consequences.
Standing up for your POV is always worth it... otherwise how do things change.
And that's why I really don't care about not having posting ability over there. As for that aspect, that is entirely within their rights and I have no issues with that (and no desire to even return to posting if that was lifted). It's why I now do my help over at
another site. Over there they aren't really worried whether your banned, license is active or anything else. Their intent is to provide help to anyone asking for it. The one thing they will not put up with is advertising software that is ripped off or bragging/broadcasting the fact that you are running a pirated copy of something.
Recently had a user join over there from the XenForo site that Brandon referred them it to get some help with bounce handling that apparently was not getting answered over on the XF site. And it was a fairly easy question to answer.
The distribution of sole-source add-ons only on your site and prohibiting your valid license users from accessing them can present problems for any developer. Usually there is a regulatory agency with most countries that deal with that kind of stuff.
So yes, if you push 3rd party add-ons to extend your script/program (which they do by their statements) and your site is a sole source for those scripts (some which are paid versions) and denying access to those scripts directly affect the use of it (monetary impact) there are regulatory agencies that deal with that, especially in the UK.
And that issue was resolved as they granted XFRM access.
This was definitely an "I *have* to say something" response to Cedric's one liner. Sometimes caring a little less in life goes a very long way.
Just because a post is a one line post doesn't mean that any reply has to be the same.
Yes, I could split it into a lot of different posts... but why? This post is an example. Not all the text written is a direct reply to a quote. And clarification is always nice.. it helps to answer unasked/other questions.
Not everyone over here is active over on the XenForo site, so sometimes some clarification is beneficial.
I also used to be an apologist/excuse maker for XenForo... but finally got tired of their line of BS that they kept shoveling out and never seeing any action on.
But sometimes you care too much about something and hate to see the people involved not shooting themselves in the foot, but blowing their entire foot off. And XenForo seems to be going down that road when it comes to giving the license holders what they need to help their users, and I really hate to see that as technically XenForo has usually been one of the better offerings in the forum script world. Where it has begun to lack is end user (site members) benefits. I laugh my ass off every time I see one of the rah-rah boys talk about how much cheaper XF is than competitors... that is, until you start having to add all those 3rd party paid add-ons into the mix to get them near what their competitors offer. 🙄
If all you want to offer is a forum with bare-bones utility then it's great. If you want to offer what it actually takes to survive as a "forum" in the world today, it takes a lot more than some simple place to post. That's one reason you find a lot of forum owners talking about how forums are dying. In a forum only format comparison, there are better places to go that are easier to post on/use than a forum. And that's where the crowds tend to go, especially the younger ones. You have to bring "extras" to the mix to get them interested in participation. I hate it, but "gamification" is popular amongst many of that group.... and it is something that other scripts are implementing in core.
Someone please remind us... exactly how many improvements (user related) did XFMG, XFES or XFRM receive in this latest "major" update? How many actual end user improvements were offered in any aspect of this recent update compared to developer related improvements?
I understand that they have promised to do user based improvements in the future... but actions speak louder than words, and their promises seem to fall by the wayside or take an extensive time to come to fruition lately. They have, for as long as I have used the script, been more concerned with developer related improvements and not so much with things that directly affect the every day use of their offering from an end user viewpoint. When Chris and the others came on board, I hoped to see that change, but it pretty much remained the same.
The sad thing is that it took as long as it's taken to get 2.3 into the world and it still has as many bugs/issues in it that it does. That is not a normal XenForo release result. So something was off, as 2.3 was not claimed to be a major upgrade and past history never reflected this number of bugs in a "stable" release. There is a reason that many are not rushing to upgrade to 2.3, especially those that have had to make use of those 3rd party developers to get their site to what their users like using. I have seen posts by several that were usually "first-in" on a new release postponing upgrading.
