Cross-site punishments

[~ True Legend ~]

Just curious - do you sanction members on a site for behaviour on other forums?

What if you have multiple forums under your ownership? Would a forum ban equate to a community ban if they consist of similar rules and lots of the same members? Or would the ban be constrained to that particular forum until/unless they do something wrong on the other?

 

[Ravenfreak]

If I had a user banned on one of my own forums, I'd probably end up banning them from my other communities too. Their behavior would most likely continue to be terrible on my other communities, and I wouldn't want to have to deal with that.

 

[Cory]

If a user is banned on a site that I do not own, I probably wouldn't ban them on my site because of that.

If a user is banned on a site that I do own and not other sites I own, I probably would or wouldn't ban them on my other site depending on the severity of the cause of the ban.

 

[Joeychgo]

Just curious - do you sanction members on a site for behaviour on other forums?

There are possible exceptions to every rule, but short answer is no. What happens to a member on someone else's site is not my concern. Since I own a number of forums, and some of them are related, I often have members who are on multiple sites I own. However, generally what happens on one doesn't directly affect them on the others unless they continue the behavior on the other sites.

 

[kensonplays]

If a user is banned on a site that I do not own, I probably wouldn't ban them on my site because of that.

I have a few exceptions, like on Discord servers. I'll "Pre-ban" crypto scammers, spam bots, etc, from my server. Especially if that's the very first thing they say, or say and leave. With dev mode I can get their ID and ban before they even join.

 

[Bluezone777]

I don't believe in doing it and I even have a story that relates to the subject.

There is a well known member here(I leave their name out of this but they can speak up and say who they are if they wish) who once did something rather dumb and foolish on a board and got themselves banned for it. There was no question the ban was justified on that board and that should have been the end of it but it wasn't. Then this person goes to a board I was staff on and joins up with no issues whatsoever. Well many of the staff of this other board were also members of this chat board and they made demands that this person be banned at this board for what he did over there and they weren't taking a no for an answer. I said no to their demand and it led to possibly the longest possible fight you could imagine that went on for hours involving one lone staff member being battered by half a dozen of them if not more over it. No matter how hard they hit and how long they went on for, I would not budge. I was not going to be bullied or pressured into going against my beliefs by anyone as it would not only compromise my ability to be a moderator but do serious damage to my character and reputation as well if I gave the word that I could be moved to go against what I believe to be true with any amount of pressure. The only beliefs you have that matter are the ones you are willing to defend. Until you demonstrated that you will defend it if attacked for it then no one will truly know if that is what you truly believe or not as beliefs govern your actions.

Why I don't believe in doing it? For one, doing it in one place doesn't mean you will do it elsewhere. Secondly, it applies a punishment that there can be a reasonable amount of doubt that it was justified which will damage the trust you have between people especially t hose who trust is not well founded yet. Thirdly, if someone does do it again on your board then you can cite the offense done elsewhere to show that the person did it then, wasn't sorry for it then and surely isn't sorry for it now seeing that they did it again. Not only do you have proof of misbehavior but also a pattern of it that will continue if not stopped by staff. Now there is no reasonable doubt that it wasn't justified and people can trust in your judgment as they can see the evidence for it themselves and see you made the right call which builds trust between you and your community which you may need one day for those times when you will have to be trusted without evidence and can only use the past situations where you demonstrated you were trustworthy to make the call if you should be trusted.

 

[Reverie]

I have only seen it a few times. I’ve seen punishments go across boards is if there is a risk of behavior that causes harm to someone. For example - a member joined a particular advertising forum and then joined multiple forums and harassed people on them. He became banned on mine, and a few of the others as well as the promotion forum. Using one forum as an avenue to find future victims was a risk in my opinion.

 

[~ True Legend ~]

I have only seen it a few times. I’ve seen punishments go across boards is if there is a risk of behavior that causes harm to someone. For example - a member joined a particular advertising forum and then joined multiple forums and harassed people on them. He became banned on mine, and a few of the others as well as the promotion forum. Using one forum as an avenue to find future victims was a risk in my opinion.

What kind of harassment do you mean by this if it’s okay to share it here?

 

[~ True Legend ~]

@Reverie I’d react the same way if it’s sexual harassment as that’s not something I tolerate

 

[~ True Legend ~]

If I had a user banned on one of my own forums, I'd probably end up banning them from my other communities too. Their behavior would most likely continue to be terrible on my other communities, and I wouldn't want to have to deal with that.

I see your perspective on this. How about letting them in and just keeping an eye on them to see whether or not they’ve learnt from their mistakes? Also what if they’ve already been on there for a while and not caused problems yet? Would you still pre-emptively banned them?

Also would you ban a member who’s been abusive to you outside the forums you manage?

 

[~ True Legend ~]

I don't believe in doing it and I even have a story that relates to the subject.

There is a well known member here(I leave their name out of this but they can speak up and say who they are if they wish) who once did something rather dumb and foolish on a board and got themselves banned for it. There was no question the ban was justified on that board and that should have been the end of it but it wasn't. Then this person goes to a board I was staff on and joins up with no issues whatsoever. Well many of the staff of this other board were also members of this chat board and they made demands that this person be banned at this board for what he did over there and they weren't taking a no for an answer. I said no to their demand and it led to possibly the longest possible fight you could imagine that went on for hours involving one lone staff member being battered by half a dozen of them if not more over it. No matter how hard they hit and how long they went on for, I would not budge. I was not going to be bullied or pressured into going against my beliefs by anyone as it would not only compromise my ability to be a moderator but do serious damage to my character and reputation as well if I gave the word that I could be moved to go against what I believe to be true with any amount of pressure. The only beliefs you have that matter are the ones you are willing to defend. Until you demonstrated that you will defend it if attacked for it then no one will truly know if that is what you truly believe or not as beliefs govern your actions.

Why I don't believe in doing it? For one, doing it in one place doesn't mean you will do it elsewhere. Secondly, it applies a punishment that there can be a reasonable amount of doubt that it was justified which will damage the trust you have between people especially t hose who trust is not well founded yet. Thirdly, if someone does do it again on your board then you can cite the offense done elsewhere to show that the person did it then, wasn't sorry for it then and surely isn't sorry for it now seeing that they did it again. Not only do you have proof of misbehavior but also a pattern of it that will continue if not stopped by staff. Now there is no reasonable doubt that it wasn't justified and people can trust in your judgment as they can see the evidence for it themselves and see you made the right call which builds trust between you and your community which you may need one day for those times when you will have to be trusted without evidence and can only use the past situations where you demonstrated you were trustworthy to make the call if you should be trusted.

I agree - I think ppl should have the opportunity to learn from mistakes. We’re all humans, and unless someone has committed a heinous crime, we should not be penalised for the rest of our lives.

 

[otis booard]

no, i only go on actions that effect my community.

 

[Ravenfreak]

I see your perspective on this. How about letting them in and just keeping an eye on them to see whether or not they’ve learnt from their mistakes? Also what if they’ve already been on there for a while and not caused problems yet? Would you still pre-emptively banned them?

Also would you ban a member who’s been abusive to you outside the forums you manage?

I suppose if they don't repeat whatever they did in the first place I'd give them a chance at another community. If they harassed or abused me on another forum, I wouldn't let them join my forums at all because there's a good chance they'd harass me on my own forum.

 

[~ True Legend ~]

I suppose if they don't repeat whatever they did in the first place I'd give them a chance at another community. If they harassed or abused me on another forum, I wouldn't let them join my forums at all because there's a good chance they'd harass me on my own forum.

I get that about pre-emptively banning out of self-respect.